Shame on
The shame Bush and Cheney brought to America in their inhuman embrace of torture is disgusting. I don’t expect right-wingers to show any morality or ethical judgment on topics like this. They have lied and repeat today the lies they started in the bush years. How many times have I heard Rush, Cheney and the rest of the right-wing Fox low-brows minimize the effect of torture techniques and claim that water boarding is not torture? “w” even pointed his finger, looked straight in the camera and lied by saying, “I did not torture those trrrrrists” and “America does not torture” as well as the countless other lies he repeated time and time again while in office. The memos just released to the public prove that “w” Cheney and their legal yes men violated the sixth amendment to the Constitution, treaties, military codes of conduct and the Geneva Convention. America has regarded torture as unconstitutional and illegal since 1789. That is an irrefutable fact and up until Bush that was one thing that set America apart from other nations.
These bush sycophants always claim that terrorists don’t deserve anything other than torture and that it is the only way to get good information from them. That again is fallacious and is the only excuse they can give for their crimes. Yes, they are crimes and those politicians, lawyers and judges in the bush administration that gave the orders and created the justifications for it are no better than the common criminals we see in County jail today. Actually, the experts in intelligence and getting information from prisoners know that torture is the least helpful way to obtain accurate and verifiable intelligence. Many of these professionals know that torture does not work but it makes people like Cheney and other hypocrite macho frauds feel like it does. It’s the same kind of mentality that stresses brute violence over wisdom and honor. You see it every day in inter-city gangs, NRA guns fanatics and paramilitary (Timothy McVeigh- like) violent anti-government groups.
One terrorist prisoner who was interrogated by professional CIA experts gave all the information he had but Cheney, Rumsfeld and the like wanted him water boarded 83 times and tortured anyway. He gave up much more information but it was all false. You see torture does not yield good intelligence. The tortured will say anything just to stop the torture. It is not effective and doesn’t provide accurate information. That is why experts refuse to endorse torture. What you see on TV’s 24 show is just fiction.
I for one would be happy to water board anyone that thinks it is not torture. Come on Rush, Hannity, Cheney. You clowns were never in the military and don’t know the first thing about these issues. Let me teach you something. I have witnessed one who claimed that he could take 15 seconds of water boarding and he didn’t last 5 seconds. He was one of those blowhards that said anyone could take it for 15 seconds but he doesn’t think so anymore. The military knows the truth and that is why they refused to do it. Bush had his legal yes men twist and distort the law into lies in order to force the CIA to do it. They should be tried for these crimes the same as Nazi war criminals were tried for much less torture crimes. What I have described here is called “Treason.”
The final reason for America not to torture is because when we torture prisoners it gives our enemies the justification to torture American captives. When you stoop to the level of the uncivilized you are subject to the same actions directed back at you. America stood on the moral high ground for over 213 years until Bush and Cheney came to DC. Shame on them and shame on America for ignoring their crimes. You can’t sweep these crimes under the rug.
These guys need to be prosecuted to show America does not endorse these criminal actions.
Now I know Obama will not take any serious action against Bush/Cheney right now because he doesn’t want to deal with all the sensation it would cause within republican circles and across America but some fair and balanced independent objective prosecutor (like Ken Starr maybe) should start actions against these treasonous criminals that just happen to be x-politicians. I know treason is not a big deal to Fox right-wingers the way a sexual affair was but something must be done in order to honor the rule of law once again in this country. If not, then let all the petty criminals out of jail today.
For anyone of my right-wing friends who still doesn’t believe water boarding is torture I will be more than happy to demonstrate on you.
These bush sycophants always claim that terrorists don’t deserve anything other than torture and that it is the only way to get good information from them. That again is fallacious and is the only excuse they can give for their crimes. Yes, they are crimes and those politicians, lawyers and judges in the bush administration that gave the orders and created the justifications for it are no better than the common criminals we see in County jail today. Actually, the experts in intelligence and getting information from prisoners know that torture is the least helpful way to obtain accurate and verifiable intelligence. Many of these professionals know that torture does not work but it makes people like Cheney and other hypocrite macho frauds feel like it does. It’s the same kind of mentality that stresses brute violence over wisdom and honor. You see it every day in inter-city gangs, NRA guns fanatics and paramilitary (Timothy McVeigh- like) violent anti-government groups.
One terrorist prisoner who was interrogated by professional CIA experts gave all the information he had but Cheney, Rumsfeld and the like wanted him water boarded 83 times and tortured anyway. He gave up much more information but it was all false. You see torture does not yield good intelligence. The tortured will say anything just to stop the torture. It is not effective and doesn’t provide accurate information. That is why experts refuse to endorse torture. What you see on TV’s 24 show is just fiction.
I for one would be happy to water board anyone that thinks it is not torture. Come on Rush, Hannity, Cheney. You clowns were never in the military and don’t know the first thing about these issues. Let me teach you something. I have witnessed one who claimed that he could take 15 seconds of water boarding and he didn’t last 5 seconds. He was one of those blowhards that said anyone could take it for 15 seconds but he doesn’t think so anymore. The military knows the truth and that is why they refused to do it. Bush had his legal yes men twist and distort the law into lies in order to force the CIA to do it. They should be tried for these crimes the same as Nazi war criminals were tried for much less torture crimes. What I have described here is called “Treason.”
The final reason for America not to torture is because when we torture prisoners it gives our enemies the justification to torture American captives. When you stoop to the level of the uncivilized you are subject to the same actions directed back at you. America stood on the moral high ground for over 213 years until Bush and Cheney came to DC. Shame on them and shame on America for ignoring their crimes. You can’t sweep these crimes under the rug.
These guys need to be prosecuted to show America does not endorse these criminal actions.
Now I know Obama will not take any serious action against Bush/Cheney right now because he doesn’t want to deal with all the sensation it would cause within republican circles and across America but some fair and balanced independent objective prosecutor (like Ken Starr maybe) should start actions against these treasonous criminals that just happen to be x-politicians. I know treason is not a big deal to Fox right-wingers the way a sexual affair was but something must be done in order to honor the rule of law once again in this country. If not, then let all the petty criminals out of jail today.
For anyone of my right-wing friends who still doesn’t believe water boarding is torture I will be more than happy to demonstrate on you.
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